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    Do you guys know where I can get that quilted rigid heat wrap material? It’s like several layers of thin aluminum sheets quilted. I’m not talking about the fiber glass stuff but the material used on high-end sport scars, like GTs and Vipers. It molds around the header tightly. You know what I’m talking about?

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  • #2
    I guess since I never got a chance to dig that stuff out of my storage unit that I promised...

    These folks do all kinds of high temp encapsulated insulation stuff. I used to sell them a bunch of stuff at my old job. They used to corrugate stainless sheeting to mold turbo and jet engine shielding components.

    Give them a call. You might be able to get some samples for free.

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    • #3
      Have looked at Thermotec products?

      <- Runs With Scissors

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ken Potter View Post
        They used to corrugate stainless sheeting to mold turbo and jet engine shielding components.
        Do you have installation pictures?

        I'm considering tig'n up a stainless divider. I just don’t want the heat to flow around to the edge of the plate and on up to the cooler. The stock heat deflector doesn’t make since to me. I’m a little dense you know.
        "Specializing in Brut Force and Ignorance."

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        • #5
          I think you'd be better off with the Thermotec stuff than a separator panel. With the panel, you'd be restricting airflow in the engine compartment, and you'd still get hot air around the IC.

          Gene Beaird,
          86 2R SVO, G Stock,
          Pearland, Texas
          Gene Beaird,
          86 2R SVO, G Stock,
          Pearland, Texas

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          • #6
            Header wrap ends up being a wick for accumulating humidity. If the header can rust, it will rust much sooner if header wrap is used.

            Hitco is local. "Located on 26 acres just 10 minutes away from Los Angeles International Airport". They and Hercules actually produced the first carbon fiber race car chassis several decades ago. Those were the only two companies with ovens and vacuum bagging large enough to cook up something the size of a complete chassis.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Henson View Post
              Do you have installation pictures?

              I'm considering tig'n up a stainless divider. I just don’t want the heat to flow around to the edge of the plate and on up to the cooler. The stock heat deflector doesn’t make since to me. I’m a little dense you know.
              Sorry no easy to follow directions...

              I was thinking you could get the components and create a box to completely surround the cooler? The parts I had seen in the past were made of two layers of corrugated stainless with the insulation sealed / crimped around the edges on the inside. Some had male & female snap like fasteners and some had stud & loop shoe lace style closing systems.

              They are designed for routine maintenance and repeated opening removal and then reinstalling and closure. A clam shell hinged kinda like thing...

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              • #8
                All,
                Good thoughts. I have investigated some of your ideas. I'm still reaching the best answer. I was hoping through discussion here WE can come up with the best solution.

                Some back ground info for ya. The heater is 304 stainless. It has “Jet Hot 2000” coating applied. And believe me the coating works. I found this out when welding the wide band bung on the bottom of the header. When TIGing stainless you need a hot torch. I could almost touch and pick up the heater immediately afterwards because of the coating.

                So the choices so far.
                1. Ken’s crazy NASA fiberglass cancerous material. Very interesting.
                2. Corrugated stainless sheeting, Need pictures.
                3. Normal fiber glass wrap from Thermoteck. (I’ve used this before) Defiantly need a boundary layer I’ve learned!
                4. Flat panel. I agree about the heat creeping around the edges and it still hitting the IC and Compressor.
                5. Tight Header wrap is not good (I agree). It seems to crack headers also.
                6. A ventilated box. As done on the GTP race cars.

                Any other Ideas?

                What the best material to make a heat shield from? Besides the McLaren F1 gold foil.

                Thanks
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                Last edited by Henson; 03-12-2008, 09:09 PM.
                "Specializing in Brut Force and Ignorance."

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                • #9
                  ON the bottom side of a VW Passat there is just what you are looking for. THis would be a good day at the junkyard but it molds well and looks to be super stuff. I just replaced a head and stuff on a 1.8 turbo passat. They have better stuff under the car than they have around it.
                  Time to clean up the engine bay!

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                  • #10
                    The good old Thomas Register is a great source. These folks show no minimum order required as well...

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                    • #11
                      My intent is to build a shield that would block everything off from the exhaust to over the top of the turbine. It would extend to the firewall. In order to make it servicable, I'm going to take a piece of steel L channel (or bend what I need on the brake) this would attach to the exhaust manifold bolts. Then I'd dzus the actual aluminum barrier to that channel. I'll take pictures and post on my thread when I get going.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Horsewidower View Post
                        My intent is to build a shield that would block everything off from the exhaust to over the top of the turbine. It would extend to the firewall. In order to make it servicable, I'm going to take a piece of steel L channel (or bend what I need on the brake) this would attach to the exhaust manifold bolts. Then I'd dzus the actual aluminum barrier to that channel. I'll take pictures and post on my thread when I get going.
                        Yep I hear ya brother. I'm walking that line.

                        I found what I was kinda looking for. I'm sure there are some American companies though. There are also other similar materials out there. The more cells or voids (air gap) in the material the better for anti-convection. I think Aluminum is better conduction than that of 304SS. But I'm confused about this one I would think AL would heat up faster although cools down faster. Now SS doesn't heat up nor cool down fast but retains heat. So I guess AL is the way to go?

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                        • #13
                          Aluminum is fine for the barrier. I'll use steel for the connection to the exhaust manifold bolts.

                          I've read about a similar product, to the one you just referenced, in a recent magazine. I'll have to see if I've thrown it out.

                          Bob

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                          • #14
                            How about wrapping your intercooler? You can attack the problem on both ends.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Horsewidower View Post
                              How about wrapping your intercooler? You can attack the problem on both ends.
                              Yes I think that a must but with what. That’s the question.

                              Whatever I do I want the ice to last as long as it can. Even if I run ambient water the water cooler is still more efficient than air to air. Just more complicated. If I was running a 12 hour race things would be different.

                              I still want to pick up a Lightning pump and AFCO dual pass heat exchanger. I have the Vortech stuff I could use but I think I can do better than that.

                              You guy have any hook ups for those two things? Or preferred venders for that stuff?
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