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  • ATR Down Pipe w/External Wastegate

    Bear with me on this review-I installed the Down pipe a year or so ago and this review is spured on by my recent install of an EGR Tube and switching the ATR wastegate for a Tial unit.

    Out of the box this was a nice looking piece, but for all it's beauty it does not take into acount those of us who must run emissions stuff.

    1) Remove the exhaust elbow and O2 Sensor-It is replaced by the downpipe.

    2) Remove the turbine housing and send it out to have the wastegate hole enlarged (I did that about a year ago and don't remember the size off hand). The supplied instructions mention the size that the opening must be enlarged to.

    3) Remove the factory down pipe and catalytic convertor.

    4) Remove the factory wastegate acuator-It is replaced by an external unit.

    5) After you get the Turbine Housing back from the machine shop, put it back on the turbo and remount the turbo to the manifold.

    6) Remove the EGR tube and adaptor fitting from the engine. If you do not intend on using your EGR system, then get the appropriate size pipe plug and install it in the exhaust manifold. Also install your choice of EGR block off plates on the upper intake manifold.

    7) Intall the ATR wastegate (or what ever one you choose). A Tial 35mm wastegate will fit in place of the ATR unit on the downpipe because the two units share the same bore spacing. One word of caution-with the tight clearence issues, this is not a place to get fancy and use allen head bolts. I used the Tial 35mm on my pipe. I didn't like the performance of the ATR piece. After asking around, I was informed by some engineer types that the design of the ATR piece does not let it seal well at low boost levels. Instead of having the valve seat against a bushing (like the Tial design), the valve in the ATR unit seats against a recess cut into the flange. The only modification you will have to make is to purchase some new bolts cause the one supplied with the Tial piece are Allen heads (see comments above) and a little to short to install with the ATR flanges. Info on the Tial wastegate can be found at www.tialsport.com

    8) Test fit the Down pipe on the car to make sure there are no clearence issues. At this point I had to clearence the bottom of my firewall for the pipe to fit. You could also heat the pipe flatten it to get proper clearence (hindsite is 20/20). As far as lining up under the car goes-lined up perfect with the factory Y-Pipe. To make the connection to the Y-Pipe, I cut the end off my old Sac Mustang Down pipe and had it welded to the end of a Dynomax 3" Catalytic Convertor and used the supplied (with the ATR pipe) exhaust clamps to attatch the ATR Downpipe to the cat.

    9) Use the supplied mount to hang the pipe from the trans crossmember.

    10) Bolt the Down pipe to the Turbine Housing. There was no supplied gasket, so I made my own one from a sheet of graphite material.

    11) Install a new O2 Sensor in the boss in the ATR Down Pipe.

    12) If you need to run an EGR tube-You can modify the EGR Tube with two 90 degree brass elbows from Home Depot (an Inverted Flare to 1/2" Pipe Elbow and a 1/2" Pipe Elbow). To find the right size I just took an EGR Tube and the adaptor fitting to the store with me These fittings are used to move the EGR Tube up above the wastegate and replace the step down fitting that adapts the EGR tube to the exhaust manifold. If the EGR Tube adaptor has a restrictor oriface, then take a 1/4" pipe plug and plug up one end of the 1/2" elbow. Drilling a 9/64" hole will duplicate the function of the restictor. Then use a 87-88 Turbocoupe EGR tube (it's shorter height works great here) and you heat the tube and twist it forward where it comes around the left side of the head , then heat and twist the tube just above the flex conduate looking head shield till it lines up with the EGR valve.

    As soon as I get the pictures developed. I'll scan them and post them up.

    This is about as good a solution as I could come up with since I was not about to make an EGR Tube out of electrical flex conduate(like a local exhaust shop proposed).

    13) Hook up the lines from the boost control unit-however you have your system set up.

    Now start engine and listen for leaks.
    Last edited by lonchair; 02-13-2003, 10:49 AM.

  • #2
    I know what you intended to say but I can't help but make a light hearted observation. No disrespect intended.

    If I took a turbine housing to my machine shop, and when the work was done, they handed me back a compressor housing, I'd stop paying them for their services in beer, and find some other method of renumeration.

    :%-)
    Last edited by Pat_in_L.A.; 02-13-2003, 06:12 AM.

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    • #3
      ok, I fixed my type-o

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      • #4
        A couple of other ideas

        The other thing that works for the EGR tube is to cut the original tube along the straight section that goes behind the engine. Get a 5/8" compression fitting and an adapter to 3/8" pipe. Use soft copper tubing for refrigeration use and end it at the header's EGR fitting with a 90 degree 1/2" pipe fitting. The copper is flexible enough that you can clear the Tial and all of the other nonsense that is in the area.
        Another thing to do is safety wire the hell out of every bolt connected with the downpipe and wastegate. I had an ATR wastegate fall off during an 1800 mile trip. No boost at all over the Rocky Mtns. is no fun.
        I spoke to a guy who worked on the engine development for the SVO at a track event last summer. As I was tightening the downpipe bolts after every twenty minute session and reapplying the Loctite he stopped by.
        I asked him why the freaking bolts wouldn't stay in. His reply was that is why they invented safety wire. He said he burned the hell out of his hand retorquing the same bolts during a race.
        I also asked why these cars are such a PITA to work on with all the tubes and stuff in the way near the turbo. He replied that they weren't any easier to work on when on the engine stand or dyno.
        Mitchell

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        • #5
          Other manufacturers who used the T3 Turbo used stainless studs and nuts with locktabs, so the cure is out there.

          If you come across an old 280 or 300ZX Turbo, take a look at the way their pipe is mounted. Five little stainless studs and nuts are not a major investment. I would do this to ANY turbo outlet that insulted me by loosening up after I worked on it.

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          • #6
            Here's a pic of the adapter I made to lift the mounting position of the EGR tube inorder to clear the external waste gate. Sorry for the typo on the picture, but hopefully you get the idea.
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            • #7
              hey Lon -- you never mentioned if this was a good performance upgrade-- worth the cash type of thing
              Eric C
              SVOCA Webmaster

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              • #8
                Well having had it on for almost two years now, I would have to say that the 3" pipe is a performance gain. Unfortunatly it is no better than the Sac 3" down pipe I used to have. As for the extrernal wastegate, at my power level (way less than 300hp) it is overkill. But that will be fixed if I ever finish my new motor.

                The mod to fit the EGR tube around the external wastegate did pass my last emmissions inspection. It looks stock enough that the inspector didn't even comment on it during the visual portion of the inspection.
                Last edited by lonchair; 11-28-2003, 09:20 PM.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by lonchair View Post
                  2) Remove the turbine housing and send it out to have the wastegate hole enlarged (I did that about a year ago and don't remember the size off hand). The supplied instructions mention the size that the opening must be enlarged to.
                  I am getting ready to install ATR downpipe w/external wastegate on my car. Any one happen to have the install instructions as I am curious what size they want the wastegate hole enlarged mentioned above.

                  Also whats the deal with the bolts backing out of wastegate and downpipe to turbine? Is nickel antiseize appropriate to prevent the bolts from seizing? Should I just go with stainless studs and use nord-lock washers?

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                  • #10
                    Enlarge what with an EXTERNAL gate?
                    1 Modded, 1 Not

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kiwi View Post
                      Enlarge what with an EXTERNAL gate?
                      Post 1 of this thread has install instructions for someone installing ATR downpipe with external wastegate. Step 1 and 2 from above say the following:


                      1) Remove the exhaust elbow and O2 Sensor-It is replaced by the downpipe.

                      2) Remove the turbine housing and send it out to have the wastegate hole enlarged (I did that about a year ago and don't remember the size off hand). The supplied instructions mention the size that the opening must be enlarged to.

                      I am most curious about the enlarging of the wastegate hole on the turbine housing apparently mentioned in the installation instructions from ATR. I do not have instructions and ATR is long out of business.

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