cam choices - I need help?

[Don P]

I have tried to read all the comments on cams and have searched the net to the best of my capablities but I am still in the dark. I am currently having my 1984 rebuilt and the engine builder wants to know what I want to do about a cam. The stock cam is in could shape but since I autox about 30 times a year, I want to improve performance if I can. However, I can't seem to find what the stock specs are so how do I know if I'm even making any change or just wasting money (something I try not to do). I tried, to no avail, to find the 85.5 specs from a Ford dealer.
I'm only interested in sliders - again because I am only interested in results per $.
I must make a decision within the next few days so how about some input?
I need as wide a power band as possible. Low end torque is necessary but I routinely hit the rev limiter. I'm running 3.73 gears and will be moving to 4.10s. I've either done or doing many of the other mods for quicker spool up. Right now, the cam is my concern.

[dvcrogers]

Just adding to Mike's info

Part Number: 194611 Grind Number: H-270 (REPLACES CCH-270)
Engine Identification:
Start Yr. End Yr. Make Cyl Description
1974 1987 FORD 4 SMOOTH IDLE, DAILY USAGE, OFF ROAD, TOWING, ECONOMY, ALSO MILD TURBOCHARGED, 2200-2600 CRUISE RPM, 8.75 TO 10.0 COMPRESSION RATIO ADVISED. BASIC RPM 1500-4500
Engine Size Configuration
2300 C.C.

Valve Setting: Intake .000 Exhaust .000 HOT

Lift: Intake @Cam 244 @Valve 415 All Lifts are based
on zero lash and theoretical rocker arm ratios.
Exhaust @ Cam 244 @Valve 415
Rocker Arm Ratio 1.701

Cam Timing: VALVE @.0058
Lift: Opens Closes ADV Duration
Intake 22.0 BTDC 68.0 ABDC 270.0 °
Exhaust 68.0 BBDC 22.0 ATDC 270.0 °

Spring Requirements: Triple Dual Outer Inner
Part Number 99842
Loads Closed 80 LBS @ 1.547 or 1 35/64
Open 219 LBS @ 1.167
Recommended RPM range with matching components
Minimum RPM 1500
Maximum RPM 4500
Valve Float 6500

Cam Timing: VALVE @.050
Lift: Opens Closes Max Lift Duration
Intake 1.0 BTDC 37.0 ABDC 108 218.0 °
Exhaust 47.0 BBDC (9.0) BTDC 118 218.0 °

Remarks:
TIMING FIGURES MEASURED AT VALVE USING ZERO LASH.

[Don P]

Thanks Mike for the info. I appreciate it. I guess I'll go with the Crane and see how it works.

Don Palm

[Pat_in_L.A.]

Cam sheet from a new in the box Engle TCS-55H:
valve lift: (blank, but doing the math indicates .4471)
running duration:262
Valve lash: hyd
IO: -2 btdc
IC: 37 abdc
EO: 46 bbdc
EC: -11 atdc
Gross cam lift: 263
Duration @ .050: 215
Lobe centers: 114

Engle Racing Cams
1621 12th St.
Santa Monica, Ca. 90414
310-450-0806

[Eyelawdoc]

Pat, I see you got the cam! Which car is this one going into?

[Pat_in_L.A.]

Originally posted by Eyelawdoc
Pat, I see you got the cam! Which car is this one going into?

I CAN'T MAKE UP MY MIND!!!

Maybe the white car, since my son offered to pop for the grey car's paint job if he gets to drive the grey car. Maybe the grey car until the white car gets back from D&D (the cam may get worn out by then) since it needs valve stem seals anyways. Maybe the other white car to compliment the downpipe. Maybe the red car if I stick an LA3 or PE in it with brown tops. Maybe NY eric's rent-a-racer for when he's in town.

Oh heck, I'll just call Engle and see if I can get my own fleet group purchase!

[Eyelawdoc]

Originally posted by Pat_in_L.A.
I CAN'T MAKE UP MY MIND!!!



Oh heck, I'll just call Engle and see if I can get my own fleet group purchase!

If I include my "fleet" I'll bet we'd qualify for a special production run of our own!

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1983 GT Turbo T-Top, 1984 GT Turbo Vert, 1984 GT Turbo Hatchback, 1984 GT Turbo T-Top, 1984 SVO Original Owner

[Don P]

Since my new motor will be built for it and because I need it when I autox, I would like to be able to rev at little higher. Other than the maintaince issue is there some other reason why I shouldn't go with solid lifters with a corresponding cam.

Mike, you indicated that the Crane pulls to redline but in the reply that dvcrogers posted it states the following:

Recommended RPM range with matching components
Minimum RPM 1500
Maximum RPM 4500 ???????????
Valve Float 6500

How about it Mike?

Don Palm

[Don P]

Thanks Mike, that is a terrific reply- very useful !

[NY eric]

Originally posted by Pat_in_L.A.
[I] Maybe NY eric's rent-a-racer for when he's in town.

Do you give sky miles?

[Stang87]

I actually believe crane makes the flat tappet ford motorsport cam (M-6250-A234). if you look at Crane CCH-272 or H272 it has the same specs as the motorsport cam. It also has more duration and valve lift than the crane H270 so i think it would maybe give more horsepower in upper RPM ranges.

[Stang87]

Well the A234 is the same specs as the FMS roller cam and a lot of people seem happy with that one.

[DRAGPAK]

cam

Im running the a234 cam in mine with adj sprocket ret 8 .1500 and up no problem , has a little exhaust note .

[Pat_in_L.A.]

WOW, March cartainly came quickly!

[Stinger]

Why hasn't anyone mentioned the Engle 111? What about a custom grind from Schneider?