Identifying a T-5

[Pro-Hawk]

I've read the FAQ on this provided by SVOCA but I just wanted to double check it. It says that 84' SVOs had the NWC T-5s while the 85-86'SVOs had the WC T-5s. I've been hearing that the WC started in all Fords in 85.5. They tell me that the WC was installed when SVO went to the bigger injectors, I guess to help with the added power. Does anyone know if this is true I've tryed looking it up on the net but everything I find just says 85' and don't say anything about 85.5. I can see how this would be knowing Ford and its Half year deal but just wanted to double check it.

Also does anyone know how to ID a WC gear box? I've heard its got WC stamped on the caseing, does anyone know where?


Thanks

[Pat_in_L.A.]

Some links.

Tag ID and more.

http://www.madhatterracing.com/t5id.htm

http://www.5speeds.com/t5/

I think that they got NWC vs. WC nomenclature backwards on that link. Early is WC (world class) and the later version is NWC (new world class). Could you see a 1984 Borg Warner marketing exec allowing their new transmission to debut the moniker "non world class"?

The 85 cars had the newer variant.

[Pro-Hawk]

Re: Some links.

Originally posted by Pat_in_L.A.
Tag ID and more.

http://www.madhatterracing.com/t5id.htm

http://www.5speeds.com/t5/

I think that they got NWC vs. WC nomenclature backwards on that link. Early is WC (world class) and the later version is NWC (new world class). Could you see a 1984 Borg Warner marketing exec allowing their new transmission to debut the moniker "non world class"?

The 85 cars had the newer variant.

I'm more lost now lol So the "N" in NWC means newer? Thus meaning everything after 84 was using the NWC and before was using the WC? Sorry I'M a little tired and slow today

[Pat_in_L.A.]

OK I just opened a beer and I'm pooped too...

Me too, and I may be wrong. It could be that the first trans was just labeled "T5" and the later one with tapered cone bearings was the "WC". I've heard it explained both ways. The important thing is the correct tag number when you order replacement parts so that you get what you need the first time.

[Pro-Hawk]

Re: OK I just opened a beer and I'm pooped too...

Originally posted by Pat_in_L.A.
Me too, and I may be wrong. It could be that the first trans was just labeled "T5" and the later one with tapered cone bearings was the "WC". I've heard it explained both ways. The important thing is the correct tag number when you order replacement parts so that you get what you need the first time.

Ya the SVOCA faq site has the 84'SVOs as T-5 while the rest is WC T-5s I wondering if they are all WC and the 85's got the "N"ewer WC ? That would make more since to me. Do you know where you can look on the caseing for the ID # or if its got WC stamped on it?

Sorry to be a pain about this but I'm a stickler for facts

[Eyelawdoc]

Let's forget the WC/non-WC/NWC nomenclature for a moment and concentrate on which trany's have the better ratios and the stronger parts. The 84 SVO T-5 doesn't. The 85 and later SVO T-5 tranys do.

Time for another beer! -Hic!!

[Pro-Hawk]

Originally posted by Eyelawdoc
Let's forget the WC/non-WC/NWC nomenclature for a moment and concentrate on which trany's have the better ratios and the stronger parts. The 84 SVO T-5 doesn't. The 85 and later SVO T-5 tranys do.

Time for another beer! -Hic!!

I can almost live with that but does all the 85's have the better gear box or just the 85.5's?

[SVOeric]

All of the 85's ---

just like it says in the FAQ

[Pro-Hawk]

Originally posted by SVOeric
All of the 85's ---

just like it says in the FAQ

Where did you locate that imformation at Eric? I find ton of sites but they don't make since on the T-5s to me. Some say only the later had the WC and the rest before that had NWC. Also does the "N" in NWC stand for Non or Newer ? Also some people tell me they only installed the WC T-5s on the SVO with the bigger injectors (85.5-86). I'm just trying to get this striaght because everytime I tell someone all 85 had the WC someone keys in only the 85.5s

Sorry about this
Ray

[SVOeric]

Ford is where that info came from -- the 85 svo came with a WC --

It is in one of the Ford brochures, but I can't find it right now (and I did look)...
It is pretty easy to tell ---

take the top off the trans, if you have all brass synchros, it is a NON-WORLD CLASS T5 -- if it has 4 fiber, and one brass (5th) it is a WORLD CLASS T5

the standard mustang may have done a mid-year swap-over, but the 85 SVO should have a World class T5.

EDIT -- here is a pretty reputale source for ya, and it specifically mentions the SVO

http://www.moderndriveline.com/Technical_Bits/t5_history.htm

[Pro-Hawk]

Originally posted by SVOeric
[B]the standard mustang may have done a mid-year swap-over, but the 85 SVO should have a World class T5.

This is what I think is going on with the imformation I'm finding/hearing. I don't think theres a lot of people out there who understands are knows enough about the SVOs. I willing to bet most of them people on them sites probly hasn't even seen a SVO before. I would think the SVOs atleast starting 85 (all) would have the better of the gear boxes also.


Thanks for the imfo, I really need to get me some of those old SVO mags/papers one of these days

[Eyelawdoc]

I for one can vouch for the accuracy of the FAQ trans info on this board. I 've owned and driven many SVO's over the years including new 84's, 85's, 85.5's and 86's off the showroom floor (I used to love to stroke the salesmen to go out on test drives).

Personally, I have been a turboford enthusiast and driver since the first Tbird TC came out in April of 83. I've been an SVO owner since 84.

Yes, some out there have come upon the scene recently. Much info has been written about the cars over the years that is wrong.

Others of us are old enough to have learned it first hand!

[KevinK]

World class t-5s have have WC cast or stamped on the housing. Don't know where. I would imagine on the side.

[Ken Potter]

I'm going to throw something else in here and it's more of a question than a statement... when did Tremec come into the game? Wasn't the Borg Warners regular T5's and the world class started with Tremec? Yes, no, maybe?? I've got 2 brand new Tremec's in their boxes in the garage. One is the 3550 for the 66 Fastback and the other is supposed to be a world class that's going in the coupe. I've had the 3550 for some time but got the coupe's within the last 2 years or so.

[cccccc]

so if my blocking rings are brass then my t-5 is a non WC? because all of mines were brass and i have a 86 svo? the case looks like the STD T-5 in my acrobat reader t-5 service manual.