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  • #16
    Ok let me just say this because i can tell theres some confusion as i was reading this thread:

    The EEC (Electronic Engine Control), ECM (Electronic Control Module), PCM (Powertrain Control Module) and ECU (Electronic Control Unit) are all the same friggin thing on our SVOs, its the mini computer thats in the pass. side kick panel. PK, PJ, PE, LA3 are the different versions of them depending on year and model (SVO, T-Bird, Merkur), youll hear these phrases on this board a lot.

    On my early 85 SVO and i think its the same for all SVOs, the sensor on the lower intake manifold between #2 and #3 cyls. is the coolant temp sensor (aka Cooland Temp Sensor CTS, Engine Coolant Temp ECT) and is what sends the water temp info of the engine to the EEC, ECM, PCM, ECU, whatever you wanna call it. However for some strange reason (maybe technology was not that good yet), FORD decided that there had to be yet another sensor to actually activate the radiator cooling fan (FORD named this the cooling fan switch) whereas now a days the smarter CTS will do both these jobs without all the extra sensors. The cooling fan switch is a sensor with a single wire hooked up to it and it is on the lower intake manifold underneath. It (cooling fan switch) too is exposed to cooland in the intake and even though its a sensor, all it does is sense when the coolant has reached the temp that the sensor was designed to "switch" at, i think its like 250 degrees right? This sensor is attatched to the intake (that by the way is grounded electrically) and only has a SINGLE wire hooked up to it. Its MAIN purpose is to when engine is too hot, will switch and complete the path to ground through the block and kick on the fan. Thats all it does, no connection to the EEC whatsoever, it is its own circuit.

    So to answer your question, its the one on the left for sure, the skinny screw type nipple is that the singe connector hooks to. These however rarely go bad, i wonder why you are wanting to change this? Does your fan not come on anymore? If so, i bet more than anything it isn't this, its the cooling fan relay (little black box with a big brown connector thats located under the dash almost exaclty by the hood release handle. These tend to go bad once your fan gets old and starts pulling too much amperage through it. This is what isn't available from FORD anymore but i beleiver SVPU sells them and are adjustable too? Its what i heard.

    Check this out, easy way to test your whole cooling fan circuit: On the cooling fan switch pull off the single wire connector thats hooked to it. Stick a semi long wire about 16 gauge thick at least into the connector. Then with the Key on, engine off or running (prefferably off so its quiet) touch the other end of the wire to the battery Neg. post. This is exaclty what the cooling fan switch does when it gets too hot. If all work right, the fan should come on. If not, maybe your relay is bad even if you hear it click. This by the way, is the best way for hooking a manual switch to turn on your fan.

    To hook up a manual fan switch and still retain factory fan turn on times put a wire to a known good ground under your dash or wherever. Hook the other end to a switch. Then from the switch hook a wire to the cooling fan single wire connector and then re-attatch it to the stock cooling fan switch. This little circuit is low current and you can use a small switch and 16 gauge wire.

    Whew, sorry for the long post, let me know if any one is still confused.
    Last edited by turbizzy; 11-29-2003, 01:34 PM.
    Izzy Lopez
    85 SVO 1B (85.5 Clone) resting

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    • #17
      Pic of Cooling Fan Switch
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      85 SVO 1B (85.5 Clone) resting

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      • #18
        Pic of single wire connector to cooling fan switch.
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        Izzy Lopez
        85 SVO 1B (85.5 Clone) resting

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        • #19
          Pic of CTS
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          • #20
            The Thread that Wont Go Away

            This keeps getting better.
            The Ford parts guy said the part number for the fan switch is:
            E5SZ8B607A
            and he said Ford does not make it. I got it from Advanced and it is the one on the RIGHT in the picture I posted.
            The reasons I want to change this and all of the other sensors is:
            1. The car has had a slight overheating problem since the day it was born. Fan would not come on, fan would come on. Temp guage would climb, climb climb. But a short was discovered at about 15,000 miles and that seemed to fix it
            2. Since I brought it back to life this fall, the fan kicks on most of the time, but not always (temp guage climbs). Always comes on when the AC is turned on. So I just drive with ac on.
            3.I am paranoid when it comes to this car and overheating.
            4. I just thought it would be a good idea to change them while I have improved access to these particular sensors.
            If you'll notice on the second picture I posted as we tried to determine my fan switch (actually the first cooling sensor) you'll note the dealer-wrapped wires leading to my injector "plugs". This is my next hurdle. Is it ok to splice wires/new connectors or should I hunt down a new complete harness section with connectors?
            Chris
            Chris Weber
            1985-1/2 9L, #6209, original owner

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            • #21
              Overheating issues

              Tell me about it! I think everyone here has issues with their cooling system, i know i have. I have a 3 row radiator with about 60/40 mix of water/coolant and it still gets hot at a long idle. System and cap pass pressure test.

              I do notice on all svos ive seen, the fan kicks on around when the gauge needle points to just pass the L and then kicks off at the A. Anyone know the exact temps of on and off?

              By activating your A/C and fan comes on you can eliminate the relay being bad because this relay is activated by the A/C switch and/or cooling fan switch. Maybe nothings bad, just ... something else. Have you had your cooling system pressure tested? Cap? Flushed your coolant? Maybe our water pumps are bad?

              Try the manual fan switch thing.
              Izzy Lopez
              85 SVO 1B (85.5 Clone) resting

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              • #22
                Re: The Thread that Wont Go Away

                Originally posted by Chris Weber
                This keeps getting better.
                The Ford parts guy said the part number for the fan switch is:
                E5SZ8B607A
                He's right the fan temperature switch part # is E5SZ-8B607-A

                Call Mike at Versendaal Lincoln-Mercury at (616) 396-4674. He should be able to get you one.

                The temperature sending sensor that goes into the block is part #D0ZZ-10884-A.

                I will post pictures of all the sensors in the picture gallery after hanging the christmas lights!

                8T6

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                • #23
                  Just about done with this topic

                  OK,
                  The new injectors are in and the fan kick-on sensor was indeed the picture on the right. Oh yeah....remember to drain some coolant next time before I start swapping the fan sensor. Coolant sensor between 2 and 3 no problem.
                  But....
                  The coolant sensor in the block, under the oil pressure sender is not the same part (number) as the other coolant sensor. It has a single push-on connector (like the oil sender). So how do I get a new one of these bad-boys? Anyone know the Ford number? Ford thinks they are one in the same. Perhaps THIS is the "fan-switch" in the picture? Who knows..

                  Chris
                  Chris Weber
                  1985-1/2 9L, #6209, original owner

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                  • #24
                    Simple test:

                    If you pull the connector off the sensor and touch the wire to chassis ground with the ignition on, either the fan will come on or the temp gauge will peg out. That will tell you which sending unit it is.

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                    • #25
                      I really dont care WHAT it is, I just want to replace it while I'm looking at it. Is ther a part number for this "sensor"?
                      Chris
                      Chris Weber
                      1985-1/2 9L, #6209, original owner

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                      • #26
                        Re: Just about done with this topic

                        Originally posted by Chris Weber

                        The coolant sensor in the block, under the oil pressure sender is not the same part (number) as the other coolant sensor. It has a single push-on connector (like the oil sender). So how do I get a new one of these bad-boys? Anyone know the Ford number?
                        The part # is D0ZZ-10884-A.

                        8T6

                        Sorry about not posting pictures yet - will post pic's soon.

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                        • #27
                          Thank You

                          Thanks to all of you, this has been quite an informative thread. I learned a lot and I'm sending my membership payment tomorrow! I get the first round next Fall!
                          Chris
                          Chris Weber
                          1985-1/2 9L, #6209, original owner

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                          • #28
                            The one on the block should be listed as "coolant temperature sensor" and the one in the bottom of the intake should have been listed as "coolant fan switch" Hope this helps!

                            -Eric
                            -Eric
                            85 1C, 85.5 1B
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                            • #29
                              the one in the bottom of the intake should have been listed as "coolant fan switch"
                              <-- thats what i said, ugh!!! J/k guys.
                              Izzy Lopez
                              85 SVO 1B (85.5 Clone) resting

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                              • #30
                                Well I re-did my Injector Harness and it turned out pretty good, so I don't think I need any updates. What do you thinkk?
                                Chris
                                One other question!
                                You know how our wires kind of "poke" out of the lumes (is that the right word?) I would think this is just asking for a chaffing problem. I would think it a good idea to cut those lumes and clean up the the wiring runs. Anyone have an opinion?
                                Chris
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                                Last edited by Otto Man; 12-02-2003, 10:34 PM.
                                Chris Weber
                                1985-1/2 9L, #6209, original owner

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